Shalini interviews Patricia Ann Caetano a.k.a. Trisha, the bestie of your inner children! :)
Transcript
Shalini:
Hello and welcome to Estafet. Today we have very beautiful, energetic, enthusiastic person to talk to you. The one who can sail into the winds, the one who can travel around the world without any jet lags. The one who can make you fly and who can let you see your inner child. Who can see the adult in you and the child in you at the same time. Yes, we’re talking about Trisha Caetano. Trisha Caetano is the internationally known pioneer in past life and inner child integration regression therapies. When we talk about inner child, the first name which pops up in every mind is Trisha Caetano. Because Trisha Caetano and Inner child work are inseparable. And now I invite here the lovely Trisha Caetano to Estafet. Welcome Trisha!
Trisha:
Thank you so much for having me.
Shalini:
Yes. So, Trisha, we’ll get going straight way because I have so much to talk to you. So, let’s start.
Trisha, how did you become the Trisha we know as Trisha? Who is Trisha?
Trisha:
I guess I have to go back to my ancestors. My mother was born in in the Highlands of Scotland. And in the Highlands, they’re fierce people and they are constantly warring among each other. And all of the weak ones got killed off centuries ago. And so those who survived, I think the gene pool pool is, is very healthy, very strong. And so I came from a really abusive childhood. And they say we, we teach what we need to learn. And so, I grew up and, you know, got married, had two children and, and then I, I started healing myself.
And I think the, the single most important thing I would have to say is that if you want to do therapy, the first thing you do is heal yourself.
This way you avoid burning out, you avoid projections, you avoid blaming victimhood. You, you sidestep all of these death traps of being human, being in a relationship. And so I started my own journey and when I started it, there wasn’t much out there about inner trial. There’s a, there’s a lot now. And I started actually with the past life regression therapy. I transitioned from normal therapy into past life therapy. And I was asked to teach at an adult education program for university. And they wanted me to do past lives. And I had been a subject for research in past lives. And so- and so they, I had that background and I just started experimenting with it and developing my own methods. And one of my students put my name on a mailing list. I didn’t know about it. And I got a call for papers for the Association for Past Life Research and Therapy. And they took my- they took my proposal. And then I became the director of the Professional International Training Team for Past Lives. And then I became president for two terms. And then I came to Europe. So- it, it’s, it’s about a journey, it’s about the struggle, the wonder, the glory, how to eat this work and heal yourself. And, and then as I got more and more well known in the United States, I was presenting at a conference there and some Dutch people were there and they invited me here. And then I was presented at a different conference there and a man from Japan invited me to come there. And so, then, it was just word of mouth all over the world. And so that’s what I do now.
Shalini:
Today we have a lot of social media, a lot many therapists. The EARTh itself has grown as an organization, but in your time, this was not there.
Trisha:
Nothing.
Shalini:
And the topic of past life was also not so easy to talk about. How did you struggle?
Trisha:
Well, I had a board of directors of 14 licensed medical doctors and therapists and the focus was to attempt to mainstream past life work. But the I find that structures are often based on fear. And so fear demands that you control. And so when you you get a group and they establish their authority, they don’t want to let go of control. And so I find past life work is threatening and not accepted yet. But more and more people around the world are doing past life work and are finding the benefits of it. And the the purpose is not to try and and make other people adopt this tool. The purpose is to give people as many tools as possible. Which is why I call my organization International Institute for Integration Therapy and Training, because we are multi dimensional beings functioning on many different levels at any given time. And so we, we need to approach the, the client with a multi dimensional approach. And that means the more tools you have, the more you’re able to assist another human being to become all they could be, which is what it’s about. Basically, for me it’s about how can I use what you need to help you manifest the magnitude of who you are.
Shalini:
How did you deep dive into the Inner Child work?
Trisha:
The, the, in doing the, the therapy 1st and then past life therapy, the concept then was that, well, all you need to do is pass life therapy and that’ll just automatically handle this life too. And, and I simply found that wasn’t true, that, that you, that this is the body we’re in and this is the now time that is our reality. And so this body has the neural pathways that carry the reactions to trauma. This is the brain that is signaling the signals of fear or anger or defense. And and that’s hard wired into the brain before we reach the age of reason. So when we’re born, we are simply, we function out of what we call the reptilian brain, the primitive brain stem. And so it’s a stimulus response mechanism nature has given us to help us survive. And so we need to cry when we need to. We need affection or food or or care and so we need to respond to touch to affection. And so it’s black and white and and stimulus response. So there’s no logic in how you respond. So if trauma occurs pre or perinatal birth, in the early childhood, everything goes directly into the brain system, the coping structures, the neural pathways. And our survival depends not on reason or logic, it depends on gut reactions of fear and pleasure and anger and helplessness. And so we hardwire in those basic impressions. And so, you can’t just do past life therapy or talk therapy or EMDR in my experience, in my experience, I use Gestalt, psychosynthesis, voice dialogue, past lives, future lives, present life. And so- and so I use whatever the client needs in the moment. But but what I found lacking was the present life and the present life body. And so, I began to just didn’t do what was logical and do what made sense with my clients. And then I would maybe do a demo somewhere and people would say, hey, I want to do that. Would you come to my country and show us how to do that? And so, and so that’s how I, I became so international is not advertising, but simply word of mouth and people recognizing the value of it. And, and I guess I want to separate something here. We say inner child and adult and past life, but but but inner child and adult to stay with the theme and, and The thing is, it’s not separate it it’s not a child per se. It is it is almost an archetypal approach, but but it is a sub personality, if you will. It’s a part of us that has become arrested in the past because of trauma. So when you first come along, you know, hopefully you have, hopefully you have a decent time in the, in, in the womb and you have an OK birth and you have a loving mother. But, but, and, and then you, you flow. But then trauma occurs. For example, you’re born, it’s a loving home and whatnot. But then when you’re 3 months old, your mother goes to work and you’re put into a nursery or, or a caretaker. And, and so when you were with your mother, you cried. My mother would come and give you milk. But now you’re in a nursery with about five other babies and you cry and cry and cry and nobody comes. And then you cry and cry and cry. Nobody comes again. And so this goes on until you reach a point of decision. So even though the the neocortex to reason is not developed yet, you still reach a decision. We call it core belief. And the decision in this example could be something like I’m not worth being loved, I’m not good enough, I’m not, I have no value. And so we make a core belief like that. Once we make that belief, then the opposite is no longer available. So I feel good about myself. I’m crying and your mommy comes, I get my milk and then mommy doesn’t come. I don’t get my milk. I’m worthless. And so that feeling of flowing and that feeling of of safety and connection that is gone now. It’s no longer available. What’s available is that core belief is I’m not worth being loved. And so then we begin to develop a coping structure to deal with the lie. And I often tell people, all we do is peel off the lies until you can emerge.
Shalini:
But Tricia, the way you peel off these lies to that high hard-wired brain and the patterns; I’ve seen you in some of the workshop, you keep laughing with the client and you know, very, very subtle way, you open up and then boom, you, you’re, you know, the client is already in the inner child. How is that beautiful technique you devised?
Trisha:
Yeah. And that’s, and that’s one of the main things I teach because I keep saying the, the tool isn’t what is important as, as you, if you are centered, if you’re connected, if you’re authentic and you model that authenticity, then that brings up the authentic part of your client and they respond to that. And maybe you have to go in and do the blood and guts work and start cleaning out the lies. And that’s why I keep saying it’s about you. If, if you’re centered and authentic, the client knows it instinctively, they will respond instinctively. And even though that’s no logic to that, but there is that, that connection that makes them feel safe. And, and I think the other part of it is, I’ve been there. I know what it feels like. And so the second thing, I guess I would say is as well as your own healing is, ceasing to judge. The minute we judge, client picks it up and you’re done. And and the and that’s it. I forget how many muscles there are in the face, but children who’ve been abused, they become what we call hyper vigilant, too watchful. And so they watch the parents face. Am I going to get hit now? Are they angry? OK, I better go hike. Oh, they’re not angry. OK, I guess I could stay here. And so they read. They learn to read not only the the facial expressions, the body language and the energy. And so as a therapist, if you come in with the superior attitude, if you come in, I’m going to help you If you come in with you know, if you come in with your with your junk and garbage, they’re not safe and they know it. And so, when I in my training course, we focus on your own healing as well as learning as many tools and methods as I can step into one training course.
Shalini:
That’s wonderful and that’s very nice for you to put it across, because the client will immediately build the wall the moment the judgement or energy is not. So that’s why you have a very subtle way to reach and the client is just there. The faith they develop in you is remarkable.
Trisha:
Thank you. Thank you. Well, I think I think the people who have the courage to heal are truly remarkable. And if they come to you, I consider it an honour if somebody chooses me to help them.
Shalini:
So let’s talk about more about your workshop. Trisha, you’ve already been doing so many workshops all around the world. So, which are going on at present and which are likely to come forward because there’s a chance to meet Trisha in person for everybody.
Trisha:
Thank you. The, when I first came to the Netherlands, I started my own training and did it for eight years and it was in person. And everybody knows because I whine and complain about it, that doing these things online, you can’t give 100%. I only see your face. Are your hands clenched? Are your shoulders tight? Are your feet curled? I don’t know. And, and also I can pick up your energy, but I can pick it up better when you’re physically with me. And so we, I did this training for eight years and then I start, I was being invited to other countries and it was just too much to do my own training. And then of course, COVID came and everything went online. And so I said I want to do one in person training before I’m dead and gone off this planet. Get back to do it the way I like to do it.
Shalini:
Wishing you many, many more years to you Trisha.
Trisha:
Well, we’ll see, but but the point is that- I wanted to do my own training one more time at least. And so, my daughter Kristyn, she’s amazing. She’s a business consultant and knows so much more than I do about this stuff and so, she’s helping me arrange a training. But it can’t be all in person, she has informed me it has to be that I’m doing 3 modules in person. So I’m doing half of the course in person and the other half of the course online. But at least, I get to do another training and I get to do most of it and I get to do the whole thing. And so, like in Japan I do the whole training, and in India I did the whole training; and now I’m going to do the whole training one more time. I’m doing it in Belgium in September of this year.
Shalini:
Wow, wow. That’s great. And it will be again one-and-a-half-year course.
Trisha:
Yes, it’ll be a year and a half and I’ll work with the students. That’s another thing. I think it’s about energy, it’s about flowing, it’s about connecting. And so if, if whatever group comes together in September, they say, no, we want it all in person, I’ll go yaay! And we’ll do it all in person and say no, no, no, no, I, you know, you got to do more online. So, so I will adapt to whatever the group needs and wants. But that’s my plan is to finally again do a full training.
Shalini:
So, Trisha, I mean you and Doctor Hans and have been the pioneer in this world. How did you come across together?
Trisha:
Well, I was president of the Association of Past Life Research and Therapy and I had done a training in Los Angeles and, and there was a Dutch group there and they invited me to the Netherlands. And so Hans contacted me and said I want to do an interview for Bris magazine, which was the very prestigious magazine magazine here in the Netherlands. And so that’s how I first met Hans and I liked him right away. And, and so we became very good friends and we would get together for dinner and have great discussions about the universe and about life and about other dimensions and whatnot. And it took me two years to convince him to introduce inner child work into his training. And so I did trainings for him in the beginning. And then I think other people have taken that over now, but it is now part of the course. And, and I think it’s important not to limit ourselves to one method. All you have to do is past life work. All you have to do is all you have to do is EMDR. These, these everything and nothing statements as therapists- watch out for them. If a client says I always have to be good, I never can, then you’re going, uh oh, we got a polarization here. We’re going to have to work on, you know, work on the two sides.
So that’s how I met Hans. We have a lot of fun together. We meet and walk on the beach and what not. Now he’s in India, of course. And and I miss that. I miss that connection. Haven’t walked to the beach with him for a couple years.
Shalini:
I mean, maybe soon in Turkey we can walk together.
Trisha:
Well, I’m going to be in Turkey, so hopefully I will see you there as well as him.
Shalini:
Yes. And the long journey you have, I don’t know how many years you have been teaching now, did you face any challenges like as young therapist or say as a beginner? Did you ever have any challenge in the beginning or where you said, oh, I did this wrong. I could have done that. And then you felt, oh, and then everything was good because maybe that was the way.
Trisha:
How do you think I learned all this?
Yeah, yeah, of course we learn by our mistakes. One of the big mistakes is I was in the rescue mode when I started this work, as are most of us who are get into this crazy business. And, and so I used to want to have all of my clients leave happy with a pretty pink bow tie around them. And, and so you get somebody who’s multi trauma and, and you start working through this and, and then, it doesn’t give you the pink bow. So, then I keep going and then I keep going and then I keep going and the client’s exhausted and I’m exhausted. The session is 3 1/2 hours. And I finally realized this doesn’t work. It just, it’s my need to rescue. It was my need to help these people become perfect and happy. And so I had to come back and work on my own issues.
Another thing was that I was terrified of anger because of my childhood. And so, a client would- and for two years after I started doing therapy, I finally noticed that none of my clients got angry. They would cry or go deep or anguish or, or enlightened, excuse me, but they never got angry. So I thought, well, I better get in therapy. So I started working on my fear of anger. And then I, I finally got through that. And then the very next client I had was a man, and he got furious. And he said, I’m so angry. I feel like tearing your office apart. I said, good, do it. He looked at me and he said, oh, but I said, are you willing to work on the anger? And he said yes. So the point is that he read somewhere that I couldn’t, I couldn’t handle anger. And so he didn’t allow it. And that was me. That wasn’t him. I couldn’t hold the space for his anger and we have to do enough of our own work to hold the space for anything that comes up. And not getting into it now, but I have heard horror stories of what has been done to children, usually by their adult parents, and and sometimes by older siblings; horror stories that you would not believe. And if I went into the horror of what was happening to them, I couldn’t do this work. I’d burn out. But the way I work is I work with the pain and the horror and the trauma, but I connect with the being, the soul. And so I hold that, not consciously, but I hold the space for the authentic self to emerge, and but so on- So, that’s what that’s one of the dimensions I’m talking about, that we work on so many different levels with the client. At one moment, we don’t even know we’re doing it. We are connecting on so many different levels with that human being across from us who has the courage to open up and show us their pain.
Shalini:
And to reach that authentic level, the message I received from you is that, we have to be authentic first, right? That only we can hold that space.
Trisha:
Yeah, yeah, and, and we and, and I guess the third thing, you asked me what are my flaws. The third thing is that when I started into this work, I had beliefs, like in past life work, certain, you incarnate every so many years or, or you climb up the karmic ladder to Nirvana. And, and actually I became more Zen Buddhist. But the point is that I had to let go of every single belief I had about any of this, because they simply weren’t true. And people will still insist to me, like we talk about past lives. I was talking about time out lifetimes and somebody says, what are you talking about? And I said, well, I said, not every life is full of stern and drang and trauma. I said, we have, we have all kinds of lifetimes. And they said, no, we’re here to learn lessons. And I’m going, Nah, it’s not good here. But so, things like this that, that I had to just let go of all my beliefs and be present with what was happening in the moment with the client. It’s called client centered therapy. It’s about the client. It’s not about you and software thinking, am I doing this right? Am I presenting myself well? And, and so, often we’re here instead of there.
Shalini:
But it’s so difficult to let go that belief systems which you keep on building, building.
Trisha:
Yeah.
Shalini:
Not easy.
Trisha:
No, it isn’t easy. The way a person looks, the way they dress, the defenses they present you with, if you judge those, you’re not going to be able to to give the space for healing.
Shalini:
Trisha, what is your message for fellow therapists, especially the beginners?
Trisha:
I just gave it.
Shalini:
Yes, and what will be your message for EARTh?
Trisha:
We are here on this planet at this time to create healing, to create awareness and keep that focus. Don’t ever get into the politics, don’t ever get into the polarizations of one group believing this, another group believing that, and now we’re going to fight. Who’s right? Stay out of that. Keep the focus. What are we doing here? We’re here to create methods to assist people to their own healing and and keep that in your mind at all times because that’s what we’re doing here.
And also it makes it safe for us to be there. We are the oddballs, the weirdos, the freaks, the out there people in the past life work and even in the inner child work. And so it it’s very comforting to be in with a group of people who are attempting the unknown. I know in Japan structured the number of medical doctors who have taken my training there and psychiatrists and psychologists. I did one medical doctor group about 18 years ago. And every year I go to Japan and I do a continuing education training for them and to keep them updated. And every single year they keep coming back. We’re still together. And now, it’s just like, we’re all one. And, so that’s another thing that EARTh can provide. As long as there isn’t judgement, politics and infighting, then we come together in friendship and fun and learning. And that is an incredible gift that we can give each other.
Shalini:
True. Very nice. And Trisha, you keep going to Japan. No, the entire Japan is yours. They love you being there. But when you first time went to Japan, did you find any language barrier or that you know, medical and non medical approach it kind of obstacles, kind of roadblocks which you had to jump through to get through this stage with Japan now?
Trisha:
One of the one of the wonderful things about travel is that if you truly want to travel, you go completely with a blank slate. No judgement, no opinion, no nothing. You go and you say I know nothing about this. So, I am going to explore who they are, how they think and, and how they process emotions. And so, and I don’t care what country I’m in, whether I’m in Kenya or Turkey or anywhere else on the planet I go, I go open. And there’s a number of things about the Japanese people. And the cornerstone is honor. And being honorable is very important and, and significant to their culture. And the other thing is that there’s a politeness which a lot of foreigners found irritating. And I didn’t, I thought it was, it was fun. So I would say to the assistant helping me, could we do this? And they she would go, that might be difficult translation absolutely totally know how can you possibly ask me that! And so and so you know, you have to adapt to this. And so, I think that’s also what I do with my clients. I adapt to what and where they are and what they need. But that’s every country I go to, not just Japan.
Shalini:
So first I will ask you the question by Alexandra, which you have already answered a bit of it and most of it. She asked you why inner child work is even more important than going to a past life and regression.
Trisha:
Yeah, and you’re right, I I have already answered that that’s again, it is significant in my experience. We must do the present life work ’cause this is the body we’re in. And like I said, this is where the the the neural pathways, the neocortex, all of this is in this physical body and now time. So for me, I’ve never seen the healing complete without working on the present life childhood, because the child is when we put in all those reactive programs and, and where we start splitting ourself out. I have to do this, I can’t do that. This is good, this is bad. And and so these splits cause a fragmentation in our reality, in who we are and, and who we are in life and what life itself is. And so, these, the fragmentation is a disassociation of self from self. And so, that’s why we recover these things and, and in extreme polarization we do the shadow work and I’m going to Romania in June, and I’m going to be doing 3 days on shadow work. This is, is a form of extreme polarization of “this is permitted, and that isn’t” and the thing that I’ve always known, but I made aware, I think, I started in Goa the first time, I said that some of the best parts of who we are is in the shadow. And so, it’s not the evil, it’s the fragmentation, it’s the disassociation, internal disassociation of self from self. As I said, we need to be whole. And that means we need to accept and integrate all of who, all aspects, the good, the bad and the ugly.
Shalini:
I take another question, Trisha. Another connected one. It’s by Martin Roesch. When we had the last Estafet, when Martin recommended your name, he also asked a question, that sometimes the client doesn’t have any memory of the childhood because it is blocked. There’s a severe trauma. So, the the client can’t even imagine to connect with anybody because in order to protect, there’s a lot of resistance from the client. In such situation, how do you create a trust that client can move on forward?
That he had such a client.
Trisha:
Yes, we all had got a client like that more than one we I mean in my history, I don’t know how many clients like that. And so what we have to understand is we’re not looking at resistance, we’re not looking at control being controlled as a therapist or controlling as the therapist. We’re looking at not fear, we’re looking at terror. We’re looking at base terror in another human being and if. You had a beaten dog and the dog was cowering and and terrified. You would say, OK, come on now dog eat your food now let me pet you, you wouldn’t do that. You have to when you get a client like that, get off any concept of “I have to rescue them or help them.” The approach is: what do you need right now?
And so, I have an axiom in my in my training: If it works, do it. If it doesn’t work, don’t do it. It’s that simple. I don’t care how great your strategy is. I don’t care how mentally brilliant you are in the way you create a session, If it doesn’t work well, then don’t do it. Do something else.
And so, when you get a terrified human being like this, you don’t do anything that is dangerous. And regression therapy, it’s too big of a learning curve for them. It’s something you know, it’s not possible. It’s out gradient. They can’t do it. And so you start at the beginning and I might say, “what would you like to do today?” “I don’t know.” “OK, we’ll throw that out idea out. Now what?” What other idea can I can I come up with here with someone like that? You might try non-dominant hand work. You might try create a story. Give me a story.
I had a client like that who, who just- and she came up to me after a lecture and wanted to be a private client. And my head says, no, don’t take her, she’s going to be impossible. And my heart says “take her.” And so I did. And then I regretted it because no matter what I did, it didn’t work. It was just, and, and she presented like this. And so, so one of the methods I use, I said, do you have any photographs of your childhood? Yes, I said, could you bring some of them? I’m trying to get her to connect right to her childhood and her family. So, she brings these photographs, about six of them, and every single photograph starting at the age of 2. Gosh, what is that hard wired in? And so, I said “make up” and I tried a number of things. They didn’t work. And then I tried non-dominant handwork and I said, and we’re working on anger. And I said we had done several sessions, just tiny progress. And I said, what color is your anger? And she said red. I said, OK, we’ll pick up the red, the red felt pen. I said, OK, now show yourself what your anger looks like. So, she puts the pen on the paper and she sits there and she sits there. And I didn’t judge it. I could have said, “oh, God, this isn’t going to work either.” I just said, OK, see what’s going to happen here. And she sits there and for 20 minutes she sits like that. But there’s so much tension in her body and her hand. I’m going, well, I’m willing to hang in here if you are. And so she hung in there and then she made a tiny little wiggly line. And then she’s “I’m exhausted.” And I said, but you did it. And the next, that was the breakthrough. The next session we went deep and dirty right away. And so you don’t know what’s going to work, which is why the more tools you have, the better it is. But it has to be what the client can do. And if you want them to go into space and they can’t take one step forward, then you can’t help them.
So, you have to look at the fact I’m looking at terror. How can I create the environment for them to be safe? And one of the things you can do, and this sounds weird, is give them control. Because if you want to make somebody, if you want to control someone, you make them afraid. So if you try and control, you set up a counter indication with the client. And so with a client like that, I say, what would you like to do? Well, there’s a couple of things. I shouldn’t train any of them.
And so, I’m not God telling them what they have to do to heal. I am giving them the space to know that I’m not going to hurt them. I’m not going to hit them, yell at them, scream at them. I’m not going to cause them pain. I’m going to step back and say now, yeah, thank you. And, and the client who is has no boundaries, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I’ll say stop, take a slow deep breath. I start putting in boundaries. So that’s what I’m saying. You have to adapt to your client.
But to answer Martin’s question, it it can take a while, but the more you create the safety, the more the more they’re going to be able to trust themselves enough to trust you.
Shalini:
Trisha, I can hear more and more stories from you. It’s never enough. So before we wind up one more story, which would you like to say which is close to your heart? Some of the session which you say that I will always remember that maybe the sessions in the beginning or maybe the sessions now.
Trisha:
I’ve told this story before. The first thought that pops into my mind is when someone reached enlightenment in front of me. And, and I’ve told this story before, maybe you’ve heard it, but to me, it’s so profound. It was in Japan. It was a young man who was about 38. He was a therapist. He was taking the training and they were required to take a private session. And so, he came in for his private session and I did that this instance, I did a past life with him and I said, OK, now move forward to just before the body dies. What do you feel, think, blah, blah, move through the body death and what happens next? Because a lot of stuff happens right after you die. Important area to explore. You know that. And so then, then, then I said, what? OK, and what happens next? And all of a sudden, and my interpreter is sitting here with me and we’re soul sisters and so we’re really connected. So I said, what happens next? And he says, he doesn’t say anything, but all of a sudden his energy starts going like this and it just fills the room with light. And my interpreter and I are looking at each other, and he’s mirroring our own enlightenment. And we were the three of us in this room with light. It was an amazing experience. And so, we said nothing. He said nothing. And then he slowly opened his eyes, got up and walked out of the room, very un-Japanese. And so several days later, we were in the training and he was in the client position. And so, he’s crying, I’m going “what? He’s enlightened. What’s he doing crying?” And so again, you know your belief systems. And so afterwards he and I walked and I said, when we were in that session, you became enlightened. And he said, yes. And I said, but in this session, you were crying. What was happening that you were crying and you’re enlightened. And he said, Trisha, I still have things to learn.
So yeah, so beautiful. And I had to get off all my beliefs about enlightenment. It’s not static. I get enlightenment and that’s it. I get to heaven and forever I worship at the feet of God. It’s just not the way it works. We’re wild, we’re wild beings, and we’re living in this wild universe and having so many experiences.
Yeah, somebody comes in, they go, oh, you know, and and this is my life. I’m saying that’s OK, this is your life. But it’s polarized- and for me, I’d die of boredom in heaven. You know, I’m here to- I’m here to enjoy life. And so I think carpe diem seize the moment. I once on a television interview the first time I was asked, what advice do you have for our viewers? And I said a line from a play, and the line is “life’s a banquet. And most poor fools are starving to death.” So it’s a banquet out there. And so go and live. Go and live life.
Shalini:
We are almost nearing the interview and I would like to ask you who is next
Trisha:
I suggested Tulin. Yeah, Tulin is. She’s a woman of such depth and such magnitude, and she has brought shamanism into her work, which some medical doctors might say, oh, yeah, you know, cross that out. But that’s just a part of it. Her awareness or understanding, her capacity for holding the space. I just think she’s an exceptional woman and I think a gift to your viewers to have her.
Shalini:
Thank you so much. And any particular thing that you suggest we should ask.
Trisha:
I would ask her the same question you asked me. Who are you? What created what I consider this amazing human being? How did this get started?
Shalini:
it’s an honor to talk to you. It’s our pleasure to see you more and more and to talk to you more and more.
Trisha:
It’s been wonderful to be with you. You’re so vibrant and so fun. I really appreciate you inviting.
